Your body stores all information associated with your emotional experiences through life. Unless you find a way to have deeper healing and release the tension and stress in your body, you end up stuck in mental and emotional patterns that can’t be relieved. In this episode, private coach, Maori trained healer, bodyworker, and Doctor of Chiropractic Harold Turk reveals ancient techniques to help release physical, psychological, and emotional tensions in your body. He introduces the concept of deeper healing through chiropractic and clarifies the confusion people have with chiropractors as he dives deep into what takes place with deep tissue massage so you can determine if it is right for you.
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Deeper Healing Through Chiropractic With Harold Turk
Did you know that touch is the first sense to develop in humans and maybe the last to fade? Touch has also been shown to reduce heart rate and lower blood pressure. It strikes me as very interesting because maybe it’s the last sense to fade, it’s like, “How are we going to figure that one out?” Asking people after they fade, “What sense did you lose last?” I think the most interesting part about that is that touch is the first sensation that we start to connect with. If you think about being in the womb, most of our senses are blocked or muffled. Touch is the only thing we have going on to feel our way around and to feel connected to our mom.
There’s also an incredible amount of research on hugs. Hugs have been shown to release a hormone or a chemical called oxytocin, which is referred to as the cuddle hormone. This hormone has been associated with happiness, less stress, a reduction in blood pressure and a reduction in heart rate. Everybody out there reading, you’ve got a new goal, which is to get more hugs in your life. I think when we talked to Barbara Livesay, we went to dinner with her and she gave us a prescription. She’s like, “You’ve got to get at least eight hugs a day because it feels good.” If you haven’t had a hug lately out there, what are you waiting for?
Don’t just go hug a stranger on the street because that might not end up well for you, but find a safe place. You can go to a yoga studio. You can always get a hug at a yoga studio. What we’re getting at here is how healing touch can be? Being about foundational health, mastering the simple easy things we can do for our health, if you can feel better, lower your blood pressure and lower your heart rate and feel less stressed out just from hugs, it’s easy and free. Unless someone’s charging for hugs, then it’s not. It’s a free and easy way to get healing benefits. It’s bringing more of these simple methods of connection into your life to support your body and your stress levels.
We’re talking about this because our guest, while not a hug specialist, maybe, maybe not, we’ll let him decide. He is a specialist in a bodywork. Dr. Harold Turk is a Chiropractor by trade originally, but he also learned a specific type of Maori bodywork where the practitioner tends to walk on the person receiving the bodywork. The idea is that the body is storing the information associated with our emotional experience through life. If we don’t go through the process of like releasing the tension and stress in our body, we end up in these stuck mental and emotional patterns that can’t really relieve themselves. We have a practitioner work with you and work through these ancient techniques to help release the tension in your body.
Through releasing that physical tension, you also get relief on a psychological and emotional level as well. Dr. Turk will describe that a little bit more in depth in the show. My experience of going to the bodywork personally, I’ve gotten a session from Dr. Harold and from the people who trained him, the Maoris from New Zealand. Ata, the elder, she travels the world and does this bodywork around the world. I think she’s helped people get pregnant who weren’t unable to get pregnant and all sorts of incredible stories. It feels like the most intense deep tissue massage you’ve ever had while it’s happening to someone walking on you digging their feet into specific spots on your body and it can be intense and there’s this roomful of other people receiving the work at the same time. Some people are crying, some people are having these very intense-looking experiences. I didn’t have the most intense looking experience but after the session was over, I was lying there and dropped into this extremely peaceful and calm state.
It was almost like the whole room went quiet. I was able to zone into my own little area where I was laying after the session. I recommend trying out some body work of any kind if you haven’t tried any, but specifically the Maori because they’re these amazing, loving, beautiful human beings who do amazing work. If you’re local in LA, Dr. Harold Turk is based out of LA, so you can connect with him. Without further ado, let’s jump in with Dr. Harold Turk. It’s taken us about two hours to actually press the start button on this. Does anyone want to elaborate? Seany and I don’t see each other a lot and when we do, we’re like long lost brothers.
Twenty years of history together.
For everyone reading, Harold, quickly let them know.
I’m a chiropractor by degree. What I do with people for a living is basically three things. I’m a chiropractor, so that’s first and foremost. This kind of massage, this deep tissue massage is taught to me by people from New Zealand. They are called Maori. The Maori are indigenous to New Zealand. A few of them are friends of mine who taught me this kind of bodywork that’s used for physical healing. It’s also used for energetic and emotional healing. It’s very hands on. It’s not Reiki. Its deep tissue, like a sports massage. However, by design, it’s designed for physical healing, but it also helps people connect their physical body with their energetic and their emotional body. By getting this massage, you’re almost having somebody, the practitioner, help you see where the connection is between physical pain and emotional pain. By design, that’s what this work is and I do that. They’ve been teaching me this for years and I also talk with people for a living. For all intents and purposes, I’m a coach.
I want to pick that apart in pieces as we talk for a little bit. Will you go into the first part and I only want to go deeper into chiropractic because I’ve never been to a chiropractor formally. I’ve never been the type of person that goes to doctors and seeks professional help. Maybe there’s something there. I had the experience of going up to Reno for Dr. Adam Del Torto’s Chiropractic Rocks. My experience of being around a bunch of chiropractors and learning about chiropractors was confusing. I would love to do a deeper dive with you, Harold. In your perspective, what is chiropractic? Going into a little bit more about the philosophy behind it because I think that’s where the nuts and bolts lie.
What part about the profession or chiropractors that you were around? What about it confuses you?
My perception of chiropractic going into this conference was it’s a bunch of doctors that are certified in cracking your spine and your neck. I think that’s you’re smiling, giggling at me, but I think that’s a common perception in the world. I went up there and I realized that’s part of it. Also, there was this whole other side of chiropractic I saw, which is these people are like holistic healers and they’re doctors of holistic healing who come from this deeper understanding of the body than most other professions.
Not to be argumentative in any way, but what’s the confusion? The confusion is there’s a lack of cohesiveness.
I’m not confused anymore but I think there’s a lack of communication to the general public on what I experienced by going up to this conference and learning and talking to chiropractors, which I think to me was way more intriguing than what I had previously perceived as a profession.
Chiropractors, for all intents and purposes, are healers. The originator of chiropractic, D.D. and B.J. Palmer, father and the son, the creators of chiropractic. They were healers, especially the father and I think all chiropractors are at heart. That’s first and foremost. Chiropractic as a banner headline has a basic philosophy and tenets to it of understanding that all chiropractors know to one level or another. There’s a rich tradition in philosophy that could take forever to totally understand and learn, believe it or not. It’s not totally taught in Chiropractic College. A lot of chiropractors are having to do their own investigation to dig deep into that rich philosophy. That’s what bonds all chiropractors.
If going to a party, if you meet a chiropractor, the next question from people or your readers would be helpful for them if they said like, “Dr. Turk or Harold, what’s your specialty as a chiropractor?” I would say emotional healing as it relates and affects the physical body. That’s for me. All chiropractors are under this banner headline. I specialize in emotional healing as it relates to the physical body. Some specialize in pediatrics, in working with sports teams, elderly and veterans. Nutrition is big with chiropractors and supplementation.
MDs and chiros are symbiotic but yet they’re different. Can you explain? Because your schooling is so rich and engaged and intense, it might not be as intense as getting an MD. If you can explain, because I’ve been on both sides of the coin here. The MD saved my life, but the chiropractors like yourself put me back together. If you could explain how it works or the differences, that would be awesome.
My perception was in terms of going up to the conference and talking to chiropractors was chiropractors are coming to the table with the premise of there’s this innate intelligence that knows how to heal the body if you put the body in balance. Whereas traditional Western medicine is taking a trauma or an incident and fixing it, but not always going to the depth of understanding in terms of like getting to the root. If I had to make like a metaphor and analogy, I’m going to use a tree as an example. Let’s say like Western medicine, if a branch got cut off the tree, they would know how to put the branch back on the tree. To me, chiropractic and more of like holistic healing relate to what’s going on beneath the soil.
How do you heal the tree from the inside out as it would grow that branch again? This is a very loaded question. Typically, chiropractors don’t totally have a problem with medical science, but medical science has a problem with chiropractic and holistic health care providers. The reason for that is they are pushing a narrative on the public that they want to keep in place. This is the way we want you to think about healing. You come to us to fix it. They use medicine and surgery to solve those issues. They don’t want that paradigm messed with because that’s bad for business. Especially in Los Angeles and other big cities, it’s slowing down a little bit where medical science is inclusive of chiropractors and acupuncturists and holistic care with healthcare providers. It’s still very slow because that’s the profession in general.
That was a very nice way of going into that. Go ahead, Sean.
Harold, we go way back. We go so far back that you used to come to my house in Los Angeles and adjust me as you are in chiropractic school. I’ve had the luxury of watching my best friend go through school, start his practice and do very well. You were very successful at what you did and then you chose this path. Let’s go back to when you first met Kathy and then you chose this new route.Healing takes place over the line of your discomfort. Click To Tweet
I was licensed pretty early.
Seany knows of what became my first teacher in this other form of work that I do.
I want to bring the readers in on this. We’re talking about you did the chiropractic and now you’re talking about more of like the deep tissue, connecting emotion to the body-type of healing.
It’s the next stage, next level of instruction.
I graduated from chiropractic college and as Seany is talking about, I ended up in the home and practice of this woman who, Seany and I were a mutual friend. We used to go to this woman who did this talk type therapy with this bodywork therapy. I was having anxiety at the time and I called our mutual buddy at the time, Jeff. I told him, “I think I should go see that woman. I’ve never been to a therapist or anything like that.” After my first session with this woman who did this type of work that I do now, she was the pivot from being a licensed chiropractor to it making a shift in what I didn’t know back then. What became evident was that I was very passionate about the emotional aspect of healing as it related to the physical body. That’s was the first pivot in what I do now for work.
In your words, what is the connection between our emotions and our physical body?
A lot of people they get a massage and it’s very relaxing and it helps their physical body just depending on the type of massage. A lot of people from that massage, let’s say, don’t make the connection to how that massage would affect their emotional self. The type of work that I do is specific in that it helps make that connection. Not all massage helps make that connection. This branch of massage that I’ve been taught by my Maori friends helps make that connection. That’s part one.
Part two is a lot of people experience physical symptoms in their body for instance, just one thing. They go to a medical doctor typically or even a chiropractor, they don’t have a lot of connection to how those physical symptoms relate to their mental and emotional self. They have it disconnected. It’s separated. The work specifically that I do is helping make that connection. They see the co-relationship that when they get a fever, for instance, that they’re going to do a curious inventory like, “What’s going on?” “Why do I have a fever?” a basic fever that everybody gets. How am I stressed out? I’m overworking myself. I’m stressing out about this or money. A lot of people don’t do that inquiry. For me, that comes naturally. That’s what I help my clients with is making that connection.
You’re basically talking about helping people to cultivate an awareness around the mental and emotional states they’re experiencing in conjunction with a physical manifestation of either like illness or it could be whatever.
I’ve watched you over the years, Harold. You’re a miracle worker. You’ve kept families together. You’ve worked on relationships with husbands and wives. You’ve actually helped people have babies, have families and do better at work. You do a lot more than just the adjustment. You really get into the root of things and you help people to see the weakness or to see what their blindsides are and to move through all that. It’s really incredible because I’ve watched it and I know your clientele and some marriages would have dissipated, would have been through a nasty divorce and people who wanted to have kids who would never have had kids. You don’t need to be an OB-GYN or a psychiatrist to help people. You’re able to walk through certain things where I caught the blindsides again or we create everything from the nothingness of the world as we were taught in the courses. You are able to get into someone’s world and almost changed their state.
Deeper Healing Through Chiropractic: Some chiropractors specialize in emotional healing as it relates to the physical body, pediatrics, working with sports teams, elderly, veterans, and supplementation.
I can tell that somebody is not connected to let’s say a past trauma that could be affecting some physical area of their current life. Part of my work is to help them make that connection because there’s a disconnection. Some physical aspect of their life is not working, let’s say it’s their health or some healing in certain area. Specifically, for example, they laid down on the table and I started doing this physical work with them. It helps remove some of the insulation or that disconnection to bring in the closer proximity to this trauma that they’re storing that they don’t even remember. As I see, it is a cause for why certain areas of their life are not going so well, which Seany is starting to allude to about my clients come to me for various reasons.
You take away the roadblocks so people can walk and drive through anything and live life to the fullest.
People are coming to me for that discernment.
We talked about this a little bit before, which is what you’re getting into right now, which is the integration of past traumas, whether that be something someone is aware of or not aware of. I know we made this distinction before about how do we take a past trauma? I’ll ask it, how do we take a past trauma, whether we’re aware of it or not and integrate that in a healthy way? I’ll let you think while I add on to that. We talked about it’s not enough to necessarily change the story because you can’t change the fact that an event happened. In your experience, what is a healthy way to start integrating these experiences and no longer being a victim to our past traumas, whether we’re aware of them or not?
You’re speaking from the place that the person that we’re talking about already knows that they have something.
Let’s use Sean as an example. He has a very apparent traumatic experience in his life, which was having a stroke. Let’s start with something that’s really tangible and then we can work towards the more esoteric. In terms of someone who, like Sean had like a physical manifestation of illness, what do you think in your work and your experience is a healthy way to integrate that and move forward in life?
That’s what we were talking about earlier. Seany’s my longtime buddy but he’s also had this trauma and this could relate to anybody reading as well in that there may be where the way that I relate to this subject as opposed to maybe a lot of public speakers and coaches out there that’s in the culture currently. For example, someone like Sean, he’s going to always be someone that suffered a stroke. That narrative is never going to change. That’s a part of Seany’s life as a whole. When you talk about any part of his life past, that’s always going to be a part of it.
He can’t change the fact that the event happened.
He cannot. It’s irrefutable. That is a part of who Seany is. He can change his relationship to it for sure. Maybe not Seany or somebody else that they were a victim to some circumstance for sure. You cannot change that event. A lot of people have a lot of shame about things that have happened in their life. That’s their mountain to cross where you cannot get rid of that narrative. You could change your relationship to it and how it impacts your life and how it propels you forward to serving other people and yourself, but you can’t change that. I know a lot of schools of thought out there that you can change your story or don’t dwell on it, which I totally understand, but have had things happen to them in their past and that’s a part of your life. You might have a tough time learning how to integrate then have it be of service to you and others, that I totally understand. I have compassion for it. That’s my work with my clients and that’s where the deeper healing occurs. That’s not popular in this culture. You’re not going to sell thousands of tickets to some event that you’re putting on if people are having to confront that deeper healing work. That’s a deeper pill to swallow.
Why do you think it is so confronting?
It has them confront shame, deep shame in pain. A deep healing that people might not be ready for.A better understanding of what the central nervous system is and having a better connection with it is a basic premise for healing. Click To Tweet
They confront their darkness, too. You deal with so many entrepreneurs who make tons of money and their partnership in their business might be suffering or their employees might be suffering. You want me to go in there as a samurai or a ninja and rework the culture and help that relationship build so their sales profitability will even grow. That takes true talent, Harold. Why don’t you do that? You’re able to look at everyone’s weak side and make it into their strong side.
I’m not psychic. I don’t see things. I was talking about a component of what I do is that I’m a coach for all intents and purposes. I don’t see things, I’m not psychic like some people are, but it’s more auditory. When people talk with me, I can hear what things are stuck emotionally and energetically. It really doesn’t matter what they do for a living, whether it’s a marriage or they’re a high-end entrepreneur or they’re a mother.
Just by tone of voice?
It’s in the tone of their voice, where I can hear what things are dissonant on an emotional and energetic level. My specialty and skill are to see exactly how that dissonance relates to every physical aspect of their life. Their body and health, their career and their craft and their intimate relationships. That’s my expertise. They come to me as an expert and someone who can make that connection with how they’re disconnected or conflicted on an emotional energetic level as it relates to their physical life. It really doesn’t matter who my client is. I’m always going to be speaking from that credibility only. I have clients who make a ton of money, some not so much, but some who have a ton of money. I’m not going to tell them how to like make more money. I don’t have any credibility in that. I do well for myself but not like they do or I don’t have kids. I’m single and I don’t have kids as of yet. I have clients who have marriages and kids. I’m not going to tell them how to parent but I’m always going to speak from this credibility that I have is what I hear and see which is Seany’s getting at is I can always get to the core of where something is misaligned.
That’s so interesting, Harold, because the mentorship of what you have over these people is over anybody. Everyone needs a coach, everyone needs someone to talk to, needs a therapist and/or you’ve taken the chiropractic work to a whole new level explained to me, because we’re talking about this because it pertains to me, the nervous system. The nervous system controls the whole body. You were talking to me about how it works the brain, it works the heart. Give me your definition of what that means.
That’s the fundamental foundation of chiropractic philosophy is chiropractors at the root are educating the public on having a better connection with their nervous system. A lot of people don’t even know what a central nervous system is, let alone have a better connection with it. For me, I had a pivot in my life where I want to help people to make a connection from their body to their emotional selves. Even before that became a chiropractor, which was understanding this premise that we need a better understanding of what the central nervous system is and having a better connection with it because it’s a basic premise for healing. As of chiropractors of how we see it is that the nervous system controls and coordinates every part of the body. The relationship between the brain to the nerve system is important. We don’t want anything impeding that interference in that connection. We actually want to get rid of any interference. That’s in a physical nature or in a way of thinking. Part of chiropractic philosophy is helping people make that connection that the body is designed to heal itself. The power that made the body heals the body, not medical science.
To me, the things that I pick up on listening to you is speaking of chiropractic, speaking of the nervous system and where you started as a chiropractor is recognizing that connection and flow through the nervous system is vitally healing. From what I can tell is whether you are aware of it or not while it’s happening, but you’ve gone into these deeper layers of helping people connect with more and more subtle aspects of self and you’re helping people to remove obstacles and impediments to the flow of those aspects of self to promote the innate healing power of the body. It’s like the nervous system is a physical impediment often. It’s pushing energy through the body. Lots of times in chiropractic, my observation would be that a nerve impingement, like that’s physically tangible. What you’ve done in your profession and your expertise is you’ve gone beyond the physical and you’ve started to help connect people to more subtle sensations, feelings, thoughts, emotions that are also causing impediments in terms of fluidity. I love asking questions, but I also love to take what you’ve said and refine it. One, for my own understanding but also for anyone reading so they can start to understand a deeper progression of what you are doing. Are you familiar with yoga philosophy at all?
A little bit.
The big practice of yoga. If for anyone out there who doesn’t know, if you go into yoga texts, the progression of yoga is from it’s an eight-limb path to enlightenment.
You’re using postures to clear obstructed energy blockages in the body basically.
The flow of it is you’re moving from physical and visceral to more and more subtle. As you move from physical and visceral through the more subtle layers of self, basically you’re cleaning and cleansing along the way to remove obstacles to experience the true nature of who you are.
Deeper Healing Through Chiropractic: Your tone of voice can reveal things that are dissonant on an emotional and energetic level.
I’m a chiropractor at heart. I’m a very specific type of chiropractor, but if what you’re talking about is at the core of who I am because I’m a sensitive person, I pick up on where blockages are on a deeper level. I’m still a chiropractor because I’m always looking where blockages are occurring within people, especially on an energetic and emotional level and how that impacts their life. I’m basically doing the same thing as any stereotypical chiropractor would, just in probably a more extensive level. I’m just looking for where the blockages are that keep this innate healing intelligence from flowing, which ultimately creates healing a ripple effect in everybody’s life. Whether it’s their body, their relationships, their craft or their career or money. With my clients and everybody, we all have blockages that we can’t see that need diagnosing. People come to me for that kind of discernment of where that’s being obstructed.
I’m going to go on that in terms of you needing to go see someone because that’s been my experience is needing extra assistance from beyond myself, which isn’t something I really do well. For a long time, I was having an immense amount of success in finding health by myself because you can read the books and you can listen to the podcasts and you can experiment in yourself. You can master your physical fitness. You can meditate for five hours and you can get to a happy place. You can, but you reach a point and this is just me speaking from experience. I reached a point where I recognized that there were parts of myself that I wasn’t completely satisfied with. I no longer had the ability to deal with it and understand it because none of the practices I had done up until that point could help me with that.
With what specifically?
Specifically, to me it was seeing parts of my conditioning not being as emotionally expressive. I didn’t innately see that as something that was keeping me blocked from connecting with people.
Everybody needs some facilitation. They need a coach of some kind. Doing it for yourself, it’s very limiting. You can’t see herself like others can, especially someone who’s highly trained and attuned to seeing things that you can’t. You might have read in books, even Michael Jordan had a coach.
There we go, Harold. He had coaches for everything like his food, his shooting, the free throws, the dribbling and the defense and meditation.
If he shoots a jump shot, does he know what’s going on with his right foot? He might not. If Phil Jackson or whoever his coach was at the time pulls up the video and he said, “What do you want me to show you?” He said, “Do you know that when you miss your shots, your foot turns left or right?” He’s like, “No it doesn’t.” “Really? Here it is.” That’s what a good coach will do. Maybe I don’t want to dig too deep into it.
Can I say something? I love MJ. Do you know who his coach was also on that team besides Phil? It was Steve Kerr.
He was on the team.
He was also coaching MJ.
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Who’s Kerr now? Let’s tell the world.
He’s a coach.
Golden State Warriors.
Everyone needs a coach, but I love that analogy and as the right foot or where is that jump shot?
Typically, people who like doing things on their own, that says a lot about how someone grew up, they had to rely on themselves to coach themselves. That’s a strength, but it also has its limits.
You have to be open to want to show up. A part of our MO is showing up because if you don’t show up, you can help everybody you want to help, but they’re going to walk through that front door of yours and show up. If they show up, they will see results.
What Taylor’s talking about is there is a vulnerability of someone who’s rely on themselves to coach themselves and learn and heal, to reach out for help and have that intimacy and connection with a coach or some facilitator to help them see what they can.
It’s vulnerability and it’s trust. You get in this habit of trusting yourself on your own experience and being skeptical of outside sources.
When it comes to deeper levels of healing, it could be a little confrontive to have a coach or a facilitator or a healer share what they think is an obstruction for somebody that they’re not ready to hear. There are levels and degrees to which that people show up to that coaching level.
They have to be ready for it. Taylor, when we first met, you were closed up, you were shy. The first person I said for you to go see was Dr. Harold Turk, who’s right here. I congratulated you because you took that first step on wanting to say, “Something is not wrong with me, but how can I be better?”
Deeper Healing Through Chiropractic: Good healing practitioners always listen, watch and attune to how much you can handle and see how much further you can go.
How perfect is that, Taylor? Being so shy and then you’d be friended someone like Seany?
The poetry of life is not lost on me.
Now, you’re hosting a show. Harold got in your brain. No one has all the answers, but I’m commending you and I’m so happy for you and excited because you saw Harold. He gave you some tips, which was the Maoris. We then went to the Maoris and then you wanted more. We saw Brent Jones and then you continued on this journey and it was like, “You can read all the books you want. You can meditate and you can go into the float tank and float for four hours,” but being alone is not necessarily everything. I can say this to you. Having a stroke and being alone, I don’t recommend it to anyone. Harold was there for me in the beginning. When I came back and he showed me that there are more people out there who can help me heal. I didn’t want to heal in the beginning. He is like, “If you don’t do this and this, you’re going to go sideways fast.” Everyone needs a Harold in their life to say, “It’s not about how much money you’re making, but do you actually love yourself and are you at peace with yourself?”
What are you going to say, Taylor?
I was going to add on and say in terms of he’s saying everyone needs a Harold in their life. My addition to that would be you want a coach who’s not afraid to be honest with you. One of the things for better or worse that I appreciate about Harold is how brutally honest and confronting he’s willing to be. He understands the value of being honest and upfront. I say confrontive, but it’s not because you’re being mean or malicious. You are coming from a place of a really wanting to help people to understand and look at themselves in the mirror. With the way I see a big part of your work is you’re not always telling someone like, “This is what’s wrong with you.” You’re helping them to basically open their eyes and look in the mirror and confront that aspect of self personally but through almost like handholding in a guided way.
The way you handle and speak to everybody is very different from what’s going to benefit them. I’m thinking as you guys are talking, my work is channeled. As much as it might be, as you would say confrontive to hear what I have to say, I also have to be the one to speak it. This thing is coming through to me and I have to be able to get, as we were talking about for so long now, the obstruction to allow that channeling to come through and be able to share with others while also knowing exactly who I’m talking with.
You’re the messenger and you’re letting their body heal themselves as you being the messenger, even though it might hurt when you’re on the table, it’s the messenger. That’s brilliant too.
Seany, for everybody reading, the work, whether it’s through me or teachers of mine, the Maori, he’s talking about the physical work can be painful, but there’s a distinction that I use. There’s a big difference between hurt from harm. Something may hurt but it doesn’t harm them. It actually helps them. Good healing practitioners like my Maori teachers and myself are always listening and watching and attuning to how much someone can handle and we’ll take it a little further. Hurt from harm is a big distinction.
Let me add on to that. I got a story here that was going to actually elaborate on. Tell us about what you saw with Sam at the house with the Maori.
Yeah.Some people are just sick and tired of certain aspects of their life that they're open to physical discomfort for the benefit of healing. Click To Tweet
Sam Morris, if you haven’t read it, he was one of the first ones we did, he had a spinal cord injury and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. Through the practice of meditation and breath work really found a way to integrate his trauma and empower himself to launch into a coaching program. What do you want me to get out in terms of his experience with the Maoris?
What did the Maoris do to him?
You can tell me, Seany, if this is what you’re driving at. First of all, I was there and my teachers just happened to be in town. We were all having dinner that Taylor amazingly cooked, which he’s really talented in. We were all talking about going around the table to see what everybody did for a living and a little bit about their life. My teacher, she’s not very public. She’s the senior. She is the elder of the Maori tribe that travels to LA to help people. She’s my teacher. She’s not very public in her speaking. As I was talking about channel she called to talk with Sam and ask him if he would like her to have her work on him a little bit after dinner. Is that something that he would want? She doesn’t typically talk like that. Is that what you’re point?
Yes, keep going. What happened on that night? It was intense. It was crazy. She took a guy who’s paralyzed from literally the waist down.
From my vantage point, Taylor, we haven’t talked about that. If you asked my vantage point about what happened that night, there was very subtle communication that was taking place between Sam and Ata that from our perspective looked like somebody doing some deep physical work to him. What was not spoken was some communication between them that was occurring through the body work. Ata saying something to him. He recognized what she’s pointing to, which probably had something to do with this injury. That’s something we never talked about. I don’t know if that landed.
Walk us through that. He gets on the table, his body is atrophied completely from the waist down. His legs look like the size of my wrist and she was taking him and twisting him and tweaking him in a way that I thought she’s going to snap the limbs.
He was expressing that he had a lot of fear that she was going to hurt him.
She went into his heart that I literally thought her hand was going to go through his chest to come out of his back because he had to deal with his heart, his issue emotionally, what the trauma he’s experienced.
Sam’s a very confident and powerful guy. If you think of this more on a creative level, when she’s working on him and understandably so. When she’s working on him, you can hear a lot of fear come up in him as he started to express in her. That is a part of his obstruction to healing is he’s carrying a certain amount of fear that he’s probably held from his old injury with his spinal cord. That fear is still sitting inside of his nervous system that has not worked through. When she starts putting pressure on him and doing these different moves, all this fear is coming out of him that she as the facilitator of healing is saying, “No. This is just a story. You can handle this. This is just fear. Nothing’s going to happen to you.”
What I’m hearing there is that through the process of him allowing her to walk on him and do this work with him, he’s consciously moving through a certain level of fear in him of going through that and of trusting someone not to hurt him.
Correct and she’s earning that trust by her pointing out certain things or saying certain things. He can also feel he’s hanging onto her confidence in what she sees rather than his fear and his worry and holding on tight. He made a shift in letting go of that fear, which will allow more healing to take place for him as a whole.
He had to let go of everything for her to go inside and do her magic.
She was pushing a certain line of what he was accustomed to being comfortable with and knowing to be true and that’s like that for everybody. That’s what I do for my work.
You basically like pushing over the line just far enough but not too far.
It depends on the client. Some people are quite frankly sick and tired of certain aspects of their life that they’re open to physical discomfort for the benefit of deeper healing. That’s not better or worse than anybody else, but some can handle a little bit on certain areas and a lot in other areas. Healing takes place over the line of your discomfort. You have got to be facilitated. This goes back to what we’re talking about, Taylor, is we’ll only push ourselves so far when we’re uncomfortable. Some people will say, “No, Harold. I’m intense. I’ll push myself to deep discomfort.” “Sure and I have clients who do that.” There’s a very different line of how hard you’ll push yourself individually versus somebody else having that ability to do with you, that you’re now in a vulnerable position that you don’t have control over.
I think there’s a distinction there between pushing yourself in terms of physical discomfort and pushing yourself in terms of mental and emotional discomfort. I’m very much the type of person who would push myself physically. I used to go to two or three yoga classes a day. I was very flexible, fit. In terms of physicality, I had mastered to a certain degree the physical pain, confrontation, the physical discomfort and say, “No, this is okay.” What you’re getting at in your work is, yes, there’s the physical discomfort we’re working through, but then there’s beyond that, there’s the mental and emotional discomfort as we work through that. That’s then contributing to deeper aspects of healing than we would be aware of or willing to do on our own. We’re going to end it on that. I’ve got one more question though for you, Harold. What’s your inspiration?
I am constantly inspired by how I can keep developing what I do for a living. I think I’m good at it in what makes people tick, where things are misaligned and how things come together.
I’ve got this because I love you. You are a seeker of truth. You are a seeker, Harold. You seek the truth from people and you seek people’s powers beyond what they can even see. You help people to find their destiny with their own magnet, with their own life. I can say that because I’m a client. I’m your friend, I love you. There are times that I want to kill you, but you are a seeker and you’re brilliant at what you do. No matter what people are coming to you or from you, they may come in all happy at times and they may leave going, “He does hit something here and I’ve got to look at this.” That one point could save their marriage, could save their business and could save their child. You do so many things that are so inspiring.
Thank you, Seany. Maybe that’s what I was having such a difficult time getting to was that’s what I do with myself. I’m compulsive about almost. Whether I share everything that I see, think and feel about other people is one thing. The joy in any entertainment of me figuring out what’s going on with people is fun for me and that’s what I do with myself. Thank you.
How can people find you, connect with you and come experience your work?
For everybody, anybody curious or want to know more, you can go to my website, HaroldTurk.com. You’ll see my email and information there. You can check out my work a little bit more. Maybe we’ll do this again.
We’d love to.
Thank you, Harold.
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- Dr. Harold Turk
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About Harold Turk
I’m a Chiropractor by degree, and as you may already be able to tell, my work doesn’t look or sound like the typical Chiropractor. I graduated from Cleveland Chiropractic College in 1996, but that was just the beginning of the kind of education that brought me to the work I do with people today.
After graduating, I began what I like to call, my informal education. It came at the foot of great mentors and healers. This kind of education is my informal training, but to me, it was very formal, it just didn’t look that way to most. Most of my studies post-Chiropractic College was undergoing my own healing, mostly the emotional kind. It was not by “traditional” therapists, but you would be terribly mistaken to think they weren’t qualified to do what they do.
So that’s why I say informal training, because they weren’t certified in the cultural sense; and also, because my relationships with them were not formally created in the confines of a school, nor do they teach what they do to just anyone; these relationships grew naturally as if we were brought together.
Having said that, being mentored and mentoring others is the only way I know how to live, and a relationship I find extremely valuable and rewarding. Besides, what great people don’t have mentors? … I’d be hard-pressed to find out that every successful person didn’t have someone behind the scenes, molding, supporting and inspiring their growth in one way or another.